Don't mean to start a war but which is better overall? The 6.5 Creedmoor or 7mm Magnum? In ballistics, performance, price, long distance performance out to a mile. Just in y'all's opinion opinion which is better.
R Full Member Minuteman Oct 21, 2013982ATXrockbox
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They are totally different, so it depends on what you want to do with it.
B Full Member Minuteman Apr 30, 201163420Queen Creek, AZbkw1911
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If you want a mile then got with the 7. The creed is very effective out to 1300yds imo with little recoil, lower powder consumption and a non belted case and has longer barrel life. The 7 will give you more energy for hunting if that is the goal and can be stretched further than the creed. If this is just a target rifle and will occasionally reach 1mile, I'd do the creed 1000 times over.
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S Full Member Minuteman Mar 16, 20089,2071,799none of your businesssteve123
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The 7mag generally shoots heavier higher BC bullets faster, hits harder, blows less in the wind. It is also more expensive to shoot, recoils more and gets fewer shots before the barrel is worn. A little too much gun for tactical matches but it'll work. If you will be shooting ELR distances often it's a better choice than 6.5 Creed.
6.5 Creed offers less performance but is more practical for general long distance shooting.
6.5 Saum is a great cartridge! Real happy with mine. Mine sends a 140 hybrid at 3125fps which is a mild to medium load in my longer barrel.
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If you are taking shots on game past 600 yards, go with the big 7.
If not, go with the CM.
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Thanks for the information!
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Ive shot both quite a bit. I hunt with a 7mm mag. And its pretty much one starts where the other ends. If you push a 7mm 139 grain bullet at 3300 fps and a higher bc 139 6.5 at 2900 its gonna be close there. With the 7mm mag you got the option to go bigger and longer if you want. Ive owned 3 6.5 cm. i have a 7mm mag i will never sell. I say get a limbsaver slip on stock pad a good brake or a can and go with the 7mm. As far as barrel wear thats just part of the game. Golfers got green fees and all the shit that goes with it. $300 a year for a barrel is cheap.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Comes down to use. Most don't need all the energy and cost around a 7mmRM. The 6.5 is short action, light recoil, relatively inexpensive factory ammo and easy to load. Versus the 7mmRM which uses almost twice the powder, long action, heavier recoil, belted cases etc. If you needed to take game down at 1000+ then the 7mmRMwould be a better choice but for a target and game to 800 or so then the 6.5 Creed can do it cheaper and easier.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Originally Posted By spartacus2002:
Why all the love for 6.5 while 7mmRM gets neglected?
Comes down to use. Most don't need all the energy and cost around a 7mmRM. The 6.5 is short action, light recoil, relatively inexpensive factory ammo and easy to load. Versus the 7mmRM which uses almost twice the powder, long action, heavier recoil, belted cases etc. If you needed to take game down at 1000+ then the 7mmRMwould be a better choice but for a target and game to 800 or so then the 6.5 Creed can do it cheaper and easier.The truth is most hunters couldn't or shouldn't take shots beyond a couple hundred yards. A 6.5 CM or 308 is enough for 99% of hunters.
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I think it depends on intended use. For PRS or that sort of match I would think a 6.5 would be better. Ammo is cheaper, less recoil, and you can find guns that have mags that hold enough ammo to shoot a stage. The 6.5 also gets you out to the distances needed for a match. If you were shooting 1100 yards +, I'd go with the 7mm. I plugged in some data and with newer ammo available (eldx) It shows it going supersonic until around 1750 yards give or take (depending on ammo temp changing velocity) That being said, it's expensive to shoot. Also, having a 7mm, I can say after about a box of ammo I'm done with the gun for the day (no muzzle brake on my gun).
I think 6.5 fits what more people need a cartridge to do. For ELR I would think the 7mm would be good, but I don't hear about people using it very much. I hear about 300 win mag and 338 Lapua more. I have seen people use the 7mm for ELR though.
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7mm Rem Mag is really popular here in Utah and Mountain West region since a lot of shots tend to be longer, but most hunters won't shoot past 300yds because they don't have any formal training or familiarity with compensating for trajectory and wind.
For those hunters, my personal opinion is that they would be much better served with a 7mm-08 or 6.5 CM, since they aren't shooting ethically past 300yds.
The "magnum" in the name has been used to sell ELR-capable rifles and cartridges to a shooting public who have not had access to ballistic programs until recently.
The 7mm Rem Mag, in a custom rifle or proven sub-MOA rifle is an ethical long range hunting cartridge in trained hands.
A 7mm-08 loaded with several of the more recent hunting bullets out-performs many of the factory 175gr Soft Point Flat Base 7mm Mag factory loads, with much less recoil. The BCs on the 175gr flat base SPs are barely over .4 G1, which is a waste in a 7mm.
You can shoot the 139gr GMX with a .485 G1 BC in 7mm-08 at 2900fps, or one of the ELD-X for that matter.
You can of course load the same bullets in the Mag and get even more performance, but very few people know how to use that performance.
With long range shooting discipline gaining more traction, these skills are being realized by more hunters, even being passed to our youth hunters and used to ethically take elk at 600yds or more with the right rifle/ammo/scope/mount/training combo.
6.5CM is plenty capable for long-range hunting in trained hands, with many of the factory options out of the box, including:
140gr AMAX Match load
120gr GMX Full Boar
129gr SST
129gr InterBond
140gr ELD-M
143gr ELD-X Precision Hunter
147gr ELD-M
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Originally Posted By baldbull:
Is that an ethical stance?
I see this a lot and it makes me scratch my head. Why is this any different than any other distance? People willing to take a bad shot will do it at any distance.
Is shooting a deer with an arrow and letting it bleed out better or worse than a head shot?
Sorry for the hijack, but I keep seeing this come up lately and want to understand the logic.
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Originally Posted By sigman68:
The truth is most hunters couldn't or shouldn't take shots beyond a couple hundred yards. A 6.5 CM or 308 is enough for 99% of hunters.
I see this a lot and it makes me scratch my head. Why is this any different than any other distance? People willing to take a bad shot will do it at any distance.
Is shooting a deer with an arrow and letting it bleed out better or worse than a head shot?
Sorry for the hijack, but I keep seeing this come up lately and want to understand the logic.Because it's not about people who are willing to take a bad shot. It's about people taking what they believe is a good shot, well outside their capabilities.
Most hunters are, in reality, 2.5MOA shooters. At 200yds that's a 5" group, not great but good enough for a clean kill even if you wiggle a little.
At 600yds that's a 15" group, more than sloppy enough to put you into the guts of an animal they thought they were shooting through the vitals.
It's unethical and asinine.
I'm not even going to address that retarded shit about bow hunting.